5-quarter rule passes for basketball in attempt to address participation concerns
**********There is also a key proposal on the table/circulating that the JV and Varsity girls would play at one site and JV and Varsity boys would play at the opposite site.**********
++++++++++This could end up crushing/killing attendance for the girls games…..++++++++++
^^^^^^^^^^This change would also affect how we broadcast high school basketball games on radio/the internet…..Now we do the Girls/Boys Doubleheaders, with the girls at 6pm, and the boys at around 7:30pm…With this new proposal, the Girls will be at one location/site and the Boys at another for the Varsity games, and you can’t be in “Two Places at the Same Time”….
Something is going to have to give, as they give this new proposal full consideration, and is there time to still block(stop) it/change it????? There will be much discussion among the high school girls coaches about this new proposal, and we are already hearing that many of our area coaches Do Not like this new proposal….
Going to raise some key questions, and that is why we are here for you….Read on/Read more below….^^^^^^^^^^
After tabling a proposal from the N.C. Basketball Coaches Association last winter, the NCHSAA Board of Directors has approved a measure aimed at addressing the participation issue in high school basketball. The proposal was approved by a vote of 15-3.
The five-quarter rule, which will go into effect for the 2022-2023 basketball season, will allow 9th and 10th grade students to participate in five quarters of basketball games in a single day. This rule will be a three-year pilot program.
According to the NCBCA, some schools are struggling to field both varsity and junior varsity basketball teams. The five-quarter rule would allow schools to place players on each team and give coaches flexibility to add depth.
The rule says: “A student shall not participate in more than five quarters per day and will not exceed the seasonal limitation of games, exclusive of conference tournaments and state playoffs. Overtime periods shall be considered and extension of the previous quarter, and participation for any length of time in a quarter shall constitute a full quarter.”
A survey conducted by HighSchoolOT in April showed significant struggles for JV girls basketball programs, but there are participation issues across the board at some schools.
The survey, which included responses from 184 NCHSAA athletic directors, found 39.1% of NCHSAA schools saw a decline in girls basketball participation this year. Another 16.8% of NCHSAA schools reported a decline in boys basketball participation.
This is just wrong. I can’t see them doing this. The girls games need to be with the boys games so you can get a better overall attendance.
Why would they do this? This would hurt and possibly end up killing the girls basketball games if they move the girls and boys to two separate locations. Whose idea was this any way?
Play all four of the games at the same site, and start the games early.
This is all wrong with the girls varsity at one place and the boys varsity basketball games at another site.
This is not right. This will hurt the girls basketball attendance if they play the JV and Varsity girls games at one gym and the boys JV and Varsity games at another gym. Not a good idea at all, and I hope it does not pass as a new high school basketball rule. This proposal stinks to the high heavens. High School basketball at its worst.
I’m not buying this. What about Title IX?
Very confusing, causing much misunderstanding, and I don’t think this proposal will pass…Seems like a total bad idea…
Will have more comments by way of Twitter coming up below…Pretty hot topic from our post hitting Twitter….
Chris James
@Isaiah___
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May 13
Soo….. what’s the purpose of having a Jv team?
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Greensboro Sports
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Coach Manning
@CoachManning336
absolutely no need for this. Complete waste of time
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Jason Fitch
@JasonFitch916
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May 13
Replying to
@CoachManning336
So much other areas to work on… Shot clock, open gym options, etc
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Liza
@TarheelDizneMom
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@gsosports
Are they adding a 5th quarter for the non-starters?
++++++++++Note the 5th quarter will allow more players to play both on the Varsity and JV teams…If the varsity needs them they can move up and get a little more time in there, and the JV teams needs them back on the JV level, they will still be available for them.+++++++++++
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Kev
@Kevin_Dawkins_
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May 13
What in the world
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Five(5) Quarter Rule Passes for High School Basketball in attempt to Address Participation Concerns:More Concerns as additional proposal Changes Game Plans
The state rule is not proposing that girls and boys teams play at opposing sites but there are some local ADs and boys basketball coaches who are proposing this for their conference.
Notice I had said SOME not all.
I am pretty sure that most, if not all, girl’s coaches are against it.
This is the craziest thing I have ever heard of. Makes no sense at all.
Give the girls a break.
Are the girls’ coaches & fans not confident that their product can support itself??????
Why do you think there is such a thing as Title IX? … “Give the girls a break”… huh?
I coached High School basketball for 20 years and both the Girls & Boys Head Coaches want to be able to monitor their JV programs. I’ve experienced both, and having your JV team play before you is MUCH better! When the Girls Varsity played before the Boys Varsity, NO ONE showed up until late in the 4th Quarter anyway… There was Not a major difference in the gate, because the girls parents are the only ones who show up for their games anyway and they’ll go wherever their daughters are playing, period! If you want them to attend both, play the girls on Monday & Thursday, Boys on Tuesday & Friday. Too much common sense, not enough Woke, I’m sure…
Typically you will draw much better crowds with the Girls and Boys varsity teams playing back-to-back….The JV basketball games do not draw much of a crowd at all…The JV boys game might bring in a few fans, but I don’t see the JV girls game bringing in many fans….Middle School basketball will draw larger crowds and has a much bigger fanbase than that of JV basketball….JV basketball is preparatory hoops for the varsity teams, and you don’t find large crowds for the JV games…It has been that way in the past…
(Prove me wrong here.)
The combined gate of the girls and boys varsity teams will be a better revenue draw for the schools’ athletic departments, and in some cases you will see fans from the girls varsity basketball games leaving after their game is complete and not sticking around for the boys varsity game, but I like the trade-off of having the boys fans show up while the girls are still in action, and making the gym begin to fill up….And even if some of the girls fans are leaving, they have already paid to get in, and some of the big boys games nights, that will open up a few choice seats for others….
Things have gone this way in the past, and some might say it is time to try a change, but if you hurt the bottom line, then not a good way to go…I do not think that the Metro 4-A Conference coaches are in favor of the new proposal, but we will find out for sure soon…
Keep it the same, and the way the Mid-State 3-A Conference has been doing many of their games is, play a JV game at 5pm, Girls varsity at 6:30pm, and Boys varsity at 8pm, and you have the mix of a JV ball and varsity ball…It has worked pretty good for Smith-Dudley games in the past…JV boys at 5, Girls varsity at 6:30pm, and Boys varsity at 8pm…Fans do not mind hanging around until 8pm for a Dudley-Smith game, and I think it would work too, for a Grimsley-Page series of games, and for Northwest-Northern Guilford, and Ragsdale-Southwest Guilford…It would really be good to run that series on Friday nights…
But at the end of the day, we have to find some kind of universal system that will work for all, and JV basketball will have to wait their turn, and let the Varsity teams have the first shot at how all of this talk will work….That is the way it is….Charlie Harville, Walter Cronkite, and Stone Cold Steve Austin all said so…And let’s hope that is good enough for the rest of you/us…
Going to be difficult to take advantage of the 5th quarter rule if the Varsity and JV games are at different sites….
Bring back the days of all games being at the same location.
Another point to ponder is that in recent years, they have also gone to nights where you play the boys varsity games first, and the girls varsity game after the boys…Boys at 6, Girls at 7:30pm…Will this continue, and how this new policy be affected??? Makes you wonder, as we wander down this road….